Two Minutes Hate: Nora Ephron on white men.
The article is even titled “White Men.” You know you’re in for a treat:
This is an election about whether the people of Pennsylvania hate blacks more than they hate women. And when I say people, I don’t mean people, I mean white men. How ironic is this? After all this time, after all these stupid articles about how powerless white men are and how they can’t even get into college because of overachieving women and affirmative action and mean lady teachers who expected them to sit still in the third grade even though they were all suffering from terminal attention deficit disorder — after all this, they turn out (surprise!) to have all the power. (As they always did, by the way; I hope you didn’t believe any of those articles.)
To put it bluntly, the next president will be elected by them: the outcome of Tuesday’s primary will depend on whether they go for Hillary or Obama, and the outcome of the general election will depend on whether enough of them vote for McCain. A lot of them will: white men cannot be relied on, as all of us know who have spent a lifetime dating them. And McCain is a compelling candidate, particularly because of the Torture Thing. As for the Democratic hope that McCain’s temper will be a problem, don’t bet on it. A lot of white men have terrible tempers, and what’s more, they think it’s normal.
If Hillary pulls it out in Pennsylvania, and she could, and if she follows it up in Indiana, she can make a credible case that she deserves to be the candidate; these last primaries will show which of the two Democratic candidates is better at overcoming the bias of a vast chunk of the population that has never in its history had to vote for anyone but a candidate who could have been their father or their brother or their son, and who has never had to think of the president of the United States as anyone other than someone they might have been had circumstances been just slightly different.
Hillary’s case is not an attractive one, because what she’ll essentially be saying (and has been saying, although very carefully) is that she can attract more racist white male voters than Obama can. Nonetheless, and as I said, she has a case.
I wonder if it hurts to see the world that way. I kinda hope so.
I also wonder what, in Ephron’s mind, compels all the other millions of voters who will not be voting for Obama, including black women, of which there are a few. Ask that question, toots. Maybe some of us just don’t like his politics.
Hillary’s case is not an attractive one,
LOL you said case!! I thought you said face! Either way, you’ll get no argument from me!
- An ill-tempered, racist White Man (as if there’s any other type)
April 21st, 2008 at 11:51 amWow, I can barely believe Ephron managed to pack so much BS into such a small space.
April 21st, 2008 at 11:51 amExcuse me, but we prefer to be called melanin-challenged individuals of masculine gender.
On behalf of my people I would like to say that I am offended by Nora Ephron’s racially charged remarks and I demand that she submit to racial and gender sensitivity training immediately.
April 21st, 2008 at 11:52 amI am man, hear me roar!
I have the power!
Gee, I hope this is OK with my wife. I think I’ll go ask. Excuse me, just one moment…
April 21st, 2008 at 11:53 amDamn it, b-man, I was going to use that.
Now excuse me while I rage on with my terrible temper
April 21st, 2008 at 11:55 amLet the excuses begin.
April 21st, 2008 at 12:10 pmI wonder exactly what parellel universe this feminut writes from, and how she gets the articles to this universe.
gosh …. if you’ve spent a lifetime dating them, ever stop to think the problem may be YOU and your inability to make wise choices?
April 21st, 2008 at 12:13 pmEvery night, after cleaning my guns, I hit my knees and pray to God: “Please God, show me a sign. Please let me know who I hate more: blacks or women?”
April 21st, 2008 at 12:16 pmI will vote against whomever has the Democratic nomination just to send Nora Ephron into a terminal hissy fit.
April 21st, 2008 at 12:17 pmDAMN, does Nora have a bad case of projection!
As for myself, a white-looking, overtly masculine descendant of 3 continents, I can safely say that (a) the amount of racism and sexism directed my way would give me the vapors if I was inclined to it, (b) having been brought up to be a rational adult who knows that some people are just asshats, I am not so inclined, and (c.) I am deeply prejudiced against asshats of any visual description.
April 21st, 2008 at 12:21 pmNora, you are so, so, right. I’m off to the secret Klan rally, then ah’m a-cleaning mah boom stix wif a mix of coal dust an squirrel pee.
Then I’ll be hitting it wif mah sisture, soon as she’s done cookin mah dinnur.
Ahm sorry ’bout that bad date, but you really should have tol’ me yew didn’ like stewed possum tails. Ah mean, howz a nethr - netre - cave man too know such fancee thangs?
Bye, and I hope yew find a nice fancy boy that yew kin cook for sum day.
April 21st, 2008 at 12:24 pmAs a racist white male, I just want to point out that I AM FILLED WITH MURDER0US R@@AAAGGGGEEE!!!111!1!11!ONE!!! BLRRGHGHGHHH!H!!!H!H!! KILL DARKIE!!!! BLAARGGGHHGHGHGH!!! IF I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT A BLACK MAN’S OPINION WAS, I’D GIVE IT TO HIM! RAAAAAAGGGGEEEEEESlkjasdkjfkj;kjajs;j!!!!
(That was fun! Clearly, all your politics are belong to us. *grin*)
April 21st, 2008 at 12:25 pmWould not voting for Hillary or Barry be alright with Nora if it were for reasons having to do with either candidate’s policies? Or would my policy differences with the candidates be racist or misogynist, too?
I’m just an ill-tempered typical white male former Pennsylvanian so no matter what I do it is probably wrong. I just can’t catch a break. If only I’d been born gay, black, and a hermaphrodite I could be the poster child for the Democrat Party.
April 21st, 2008 at 12:26 pmIn a way, you sort of have to feel sorry for someone like that. When they get up in the morning (after an exploitive date with a power-mad white man), they are filled with hatred of, and resentment toward, a majority of the people on the planet. And no matter what they do, it won’t go away. It must hurt a lot to carry that much hatred 24 hours a day. (At least, I hope it does.)
April 21st, 2008 at 12:28 pmOn the other hand, that hatred and overwhelming sense of victimhood has managed to make her wealthy and has bought her a certain amount of noteriety. And, no matter what goes wrong in her life - from a stopped-up toilet to an earthquake - she has someone else to blame for it.
Face it: the bitch NEEDS white men to justify her existence and validate her vision of reality. Without us - she ain’t shit!!
Norah Ephron says … “I Feel Bad About My Neck”.
I Feel Bad About Her Mind.
http://www.amazon.com/Feel-Bad-About-My-Neck/dp/0307276821/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1208799272&sr=8-1
April 21st, 2008 at 12:37 pmHow do people make it through the day with such negative, hateful mindsets and not want to eat a bullet? To hate on somebody so hard, to spend so much time formulating sentences into pointy weapons to hurl at your chosen demon is exhausting and pathetic. It takes the joy out of life.
Nora, relax. Have a couple of cocktails and unclench.
April 21st, 2008 at 12:37 pmAlso: regarding Ms. Ephron’s obsession with the failings of White Men … Carl Bernstein, what have you wrought????
April 21st, 2008 at 12:38 pmI get really, really tired of being told that I oppose things that I oppose out of mindless bigotry, instead of having looked at what the things I oppose are all about, and deciding, as a reasonbly-mature adult, that I’m against them. Who died and made this cow the Empress of the Known Universe, anyway?
April 21st, 2008 at 12:44 pmThis article really irritated me until I had this thought: Nora Ephron has to be Nora Ephron for the rest of her life. She has no escape. Really, that’s a worse fate than anything I could think of doing to her.
I am a 37 year old white male. I am not voting for either Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton for the same reason I never vote for any Democrat: They want to make America more like Europe. I have lived in two European countries and worked quite a bit in two others. I have seen that movie and I say to hell with it.
Race and gender don’t matter. Ideas do.
April 21st, 2008 at 12:44 pmNote to Democrats:
We don’t like in the 1960’s anymore. If your female/black candidate is loosing, don’t blame sexism/racism; GET A BETTER CANDIDATE WHO HAS BETTER STANCES ON THE ISSUES.
Or, if you think white male voters cling to God and guns, you can gain their votes by a- not making comments that are anti-Christian or anti-religion, and b- not making comments disparaging guns or gun owners, and c- stop talking about guns for for hunting only.
But we all know you’ll not do any of those things, so I look forward to not seeing you at the McCain innauguration party.
April 21st, 2008 at 12:49 pmOn the plus side, at least she didn’t say gun owning men are overcompensating for something (like 99% of these dumbasses do…)
April 21st, 2008 at 12:57 pmThat’s exactly what I was thinking Pete.
Happy Birthday Rachel! 36 isn’t so bad, I remember it fondly :o)
April 21st, 2008 at 1:04 pmGenius. This is why I come here every day.
April 21st, 2008 at 1:12 pmI, for one, adore my racist, sexist, hate-filled, white, male overlord . . . er, husband!
Don’t you love it when a liberal is hoisted on his/her own petard?
What’s so beautifully illustrated, here, is that their side see their primary race as a competition between two of the most vociferous factions of their own ‘identity politics.’
They don’t see Hillary and Obama, they see ‘black guy and ‘white woman!’
April 21st, 2008 at 1:17 pmYeah, that “Torture Thing” that he got to participate in because of the “War Stuff” going on when he was shot down in his “Little Airplane”.
Jeeze, condescend much?
Also, I didn’t think that we would be hearing the “Hillary/Barak didn’t win because America is sexist/racist” canard until November. Ugh. I guess they couldn’t wait to pull that crap outta their bag of tricks.
April 21st, 2008 at 1:34 pmThis identity politics thing has been more fun to watch play out that I have ever expected. Having the “first woman” and “first black” (I guess Jesse Jackson and Alan Keyes don’t count) competing against each other has done more to flush rotten thinking like this out than conservatives could have ever done by themselves.
I guess Nora has forgotten, when you go into a voting booth, you’re checking a box for someone, not against. Maybe she’s got real voting mixed up with the way they do it on Survivor.
April 21st, 2008 at 2:01 pmNora, this isn’t one of your movies - you can’t write the ending you want. Go back to Hollywierd, ya twit.
April 21st, 2008 at 2:03 pmThis says so much about the dark inner workings of her own mind.
As others have said, she herself looks at the candidates in the manner she describes.
She hates a lot more than just her neck !
April 21st, 2008 at 2:08 pmWhat will be fun is if Condoleeza Rice ever runs for President or VP, and we’ll be told that she’s not really black or really female, because she’s not a Democrat.
April 21st, 2008 at 2:18 pmAs a Pittsburgh white male, I say FUCK YOU ALL.
If you really want to get pissed, read the comments at HuPo for this article. I’ll suffer through another Republican just to piss these people off even more. If you don’t want white males running the world, do something about it.
Get a relevant education.
Bust your ass to reach the top, get kicked off the top and start over again.
Work your ass off until you die of a heart attack.
Care about doing whats right for your family, your community, your country and the world.
Do all of that better then us white honkies and then you can run the world.
Until then, FUCK YOU! FUCK YOU! FUCK YOU!
April 21st, 2008 at 2:23 pmNora Ephron works in Hollywood. Hollywood is a place where retards who write shit like this get told over and over again by sycophants that they’re brilliant. Think of it like the kid whose mother tells him that the horn-rimmed glasses and saddle shoes make him look “distinguished.” At some point the poor little nerd starts to believe it.
April 21st, 2008 at 2:45 pmRachel: I think you may have miscategorized this post. It should be under “WTF.”
Of course, the more I think of it, “WTF” is a pretty broad category, and much of what Nora and her ilk yap on about would fit nicely into it.
April 21st, 2008 at 2:50 pmSigivald Says:
That made me chuckle and I immediately thought of this. I agree with you 100%. You can be black if you’re a white Democrat, but I’m sure a black woman would be neither since she’s a Republican.
April 21st, 2008 at 2:58 pmWell I’m finally glad to see that white men are going to have some influence on our country.
April 21st, 2008 at 3:16 pmThis political theatre is so entertaining, because I can’t wait to see what happens if somehow Hillary gets the nomination. There’s not a doubt in my mind that if BO gets the nomination but loses in the general, the racism of white republican or conservative men will be blamed. If, however, Hillary somehow gets the nomination, the racism will be only a factor in the Democrat party. So they’ll have to call themselves racist. Then what’s a brutha to do?
According to IMDB
Formerly married to novelist Dan Greenburg and investigative journalist Carl Bernstein [not at the some time one hopes], Ephron is now wed to crime journalist and screenwriter Nicholas Pileggi, who wrote such films as Goodfellas (1990).
Dates ‘em, can’t seem to hold on to them. No wonder.
April 21st, 2008 at 3:40 pmNo wonder her “romantic comedies” are neither romantic nor funny. Interestingly, most of them seem to carry a nasty little pernicious message that it’s totally cool for a woman to dump a man who is ideal in all respects except he doesn’t make her feel as swoony as the guy she leaves him for…
April 21st, 2008 at 5:31 pm36? Jeez, I have fishing equipment older than you. Happy birthday, Rachel.
April 21st, 2008 at 5:51 pm“A tolerant society is one that ignores differences and a multi-cultural one is one that highlights them.” — Rabbi Jonathan Sacks
As a tolerant white male I have never once judged Obama or Hillary based on their gender or race, in fact I never even think of it. I’m sick and tired of the Dems beating me over the head with the ‘black’ thing or the ‘women’ thing. Note to the libs I won’t vote for you because your politics suck, you have no new ideas. I can look at many of the worlds countries that follow your socialist ideals and see their utter failure. Those are the facts and you need to follow the advice of John Maynard Keynes who said, “When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?”
April 21st, 2008 at 6:10 pmI’m puzzled, really.
I’m a white guy. Really, really white, and with not a hint of apparent femininity.
I don’t hate “women.” I hate some women, sure, but not very many.
I don’t hate “blacks.” Just like with women, my hatred is sort of individually applied.
I am pretty sure that I hate Nora Efron.
So, my question is, who is the designated candidate for “haters of Nora Efron”? I just want to do the right thing, ya’ know?
April 21st, 2008 at 7:13 pmI’m pretty sure this article seals it. We hate “women” more. (Surprisingly white men don’t hate women who aren’t total bitches aka. Rachel Lucas, Dr. Helen, Megan Mcardle, Ann Althouse and Many more who I can’t think of off the top of my head). It’s ridiculous when you value lots of women’s opinions because they’re logical and coherent(not because they’re women) but if you don’t value one dumb femnazi’s opinion you’re a white racist misogynist.
April 21st, 2008 at 8:08 pmThe REAL reason Nora Ephron hates white men: Shakespeare wrote “Romeo and Juliet”, she wrote “Sleepless in Seattle”.
PS. Why is it she’s never married a black man?
April 21st, 2008 at 9:40 pmThe stories of Bill Clinton’s temper are legendary. It’s what caused George Stephanopolous to quit his job. And Hillary? Someone who throws things and calls someone a “fucking Jew bastard” doesn’t possess a worse temper?
If John McCain bitch-slapped those two in a fit of pique, I would think that was just awesome.
April 21st, 2008 at 10:40 pmoh,yes…sigh….childhood memories are so comforting!
HEY!! Did he call me a nerd?
April 21st, 2008 at 11:07 pmAlso surprisingly, white men don’t seem to hate black people who aren’t hate-mongering race baiters or dim-witted liberals, aka Clarence Thomas, Alan Keyes, Larry Elder, and many more.
April 22nd, 2008 at 2:30 amIt never occurs to people like Ms. Ephron that someone would be opposed to Hilary or Barrack because they are Marxist fucktards who want to turn America into the next “worker’s paradise”.
I’m glad this bloodletting in the Democratic primaries will continue until their convention in June. Hopefully it will end with a steelcage deathmatch between Mr. Hopeychange and Shrillary like in Thunderdome.
April 22nd, 2008 at 3:31 amLOL. I was thinking much the same thing…
April 22nd, 2008 at 4:20 amAre you sure this isn’t just a few pages from her new screenplay, “You’ve Got Hate Mail!”
Personally, I hate sequels.
*Alternate title: Clueless in Hollywood.
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:05 amWith liberals, it’s always the base motive. Always.
Nobody who disagrees with them can POSSIBLY hold the opinions they do out of reason or a sense of common values.
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:57 amIronpacker:
Go here for the cage match:
April 22nd, 2008 at 12:48 pm
Ironpacker:
Darn, the “link” thing didn’t work.
Go here for the cage match:
http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/driveby/clintonobama_sm.php
April 22nd, 2008 at 12:57 pmAnd here I thought I didn’t like the Hildebeast or Obamessiah because their politics sucked, and because they’re both pathological liars. Now I find out I don’t like them ’cause she’s a woman (not proven yet to my satisfaction, BTW) and he’s “black”. Oh me oh my, what is a po’ southern white man to do?
Come to think of it, I have a small portion of American Indian blood in my veins also. Why don’t we have a Cherokee or Sioux candidate for the White House? Why, because we’re all a bunch of racist whiteys, of course!
sigh Nora should keep her trap shut and write.
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:07 amThe question that every Democtatic primary voter has to ask him, her or itself is:
Am I a racist, or am I a misogynist?
It’s easy for me as a religious, gun-toting white male goober.
I’m both!!!
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:37 pmPlain Ol’ Bob Says:
As a Pittsburgh white male, I say FUCK YOU ALL.
If you really want to get pissed, read the comments at HuPo for this article.
Oh yeah, it’s a real hate-fest. If you like having your blood pressure raised by reading the spew of pathological liars, you’ll be in hog heaven there.
I posted two posts on the topic, and was then banned. I didn’t break any of their rules, I simply mirrored their own hatred back at them - mostly using their terms.
It’s not surprising - anyone familiar with liberals know they just love USSR style tactics. Free speech is fine, when it’s for them, but it’s “hate speech” and banning when you don’t walk lock step with them.
That place, the Huffington Post, will get a bad rep in no time. That’s the beauty of the internet, and blogs like this one, as soon as something bad happens, other people start talking about it - and there’s no stopping it.
There was even a worse piece, praising a student who used her own abortions, mixed it with other things, like latex, and made it into “art.” They of course, the readers of HP, thought this was grand, and just couldn’t understand the “ignorance” of the “hillbilly noobs” who thoroughly mocked it. These Libs are very sick people.
Take care all.
April 23rd, 2008 at 10:22 pmHer bitter is better than my bitter.
Fascinating how the Skank Elite like Ms. Ephron can lecture us poor white men on how we hate all non-white, non-male individuals.
Damn, I feel…empowered.
That bitch can kiss my Southern white ass.
I was thinking of standing by my principles and voting for Ron Paul in November. But Queen Bitch Ephron and all the other fingerpointing accusers have managed to convince me that I am a HATER.
Since I and ALL other white men will be bashed regardless, up to the election and afterwards, I might as well make it worth enduring their screaming emotional hatefest frenzies.
Senator McCain, you just picked up another voter.
April 24th, 2008 at 10:17 amI have to give credit where credit is due, or at least NOT be like a pathological liar - I’m not like that. I THOUGHT I was banned, but apparently it was just a gliche:
I have to decide if it’s worth wading back into that mess.
In response to Doctor Lector, I’m a full blooded German, to the best of my knowledge, and somewhere along the line, I deprogrammed myself from the hate and shame I’m supposed to feel about myself. I like my culture, I like myself, I like Western Civilization, of which I am a part of. I suppose this makes me a neo-nazi, a bigot and racist in some eyes, But I DON’T CARE care what people like that think of me.
I probably am a white supremacist, because I do think my culture is better than any other. But as far as I can tell, Asians, Blacks, and others think the same about THEIR cultures, so it seems it just makes me - normal. I DON’T CARE if that makes me a white supremacist in their eyes.
I don’t need their approval, I don’t feel the need to justify to them my right to survive. I don’t feel any need to wallow in guilt and shame, like they want me too. So from me to them, here’s a big hearty FUCK YOU.
April 24th, 2008 at 12:02 pm