Word on the street is that Obama was a Muslim. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Obama asserted in December, “I’ve always been a Christian,” and he has adamantly denied ever having been a Muslim. “The only connection I’ve had to Islam is that my grandfather on my father’s side came from that country [Kenya]. But I’ve never practiced Islam.” In February, he claimed: “I have never been a Muslim. … other than my name and the fact that I lived in a populous Muslim country for 4 years when I was a child [Indonesia, 1967-71] I have very little connection to the Islamic religion.”
[But]…the Associated Press reports that “documents showed he enrolled as a Muslim” while at a Catholic school during first through third grades. …the Chicago Tribune confirms that Obama was “listed as a Muslim on the registration form for the Catholic school.” A blogger who goes by “An American Expat in Southeast Asia” found that “Barack Hussein Obama was registered under the name ‘Barry Soetoro’ serial number 203 and entered the Franciscan Asisi Primary School on 1 January 1968 and sat in class 1B. … Barry’s religion was listed as Islam.”
…the Toronto Star visited the Jakarta public school Obama attended and found that “Three of his teachers have said he was enrolled as a Muslim.”
In his autobiography, Dreams of My Father, Obama relates how he got into trouble for making faces during Koranic studies, thereby revealing he was a Muslim, for Indonesian students in his day attended religious classes according to their faith. Indeed, Obama still retains knowledge from that class: Nicholas D. Kristof of the New York Times, reports that Obama “recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent.”
There’s a lot more, and this is all via The Corner.
I know that I’m supposed to say that I don’t have a problem with Obama being a Muslim as a child, and that it’s only the lying that I find objectionable.
But screw that. I do have a problem with it; not a big one, but roughly the same size problem I’d have if it turned out John McCain went to Klan rallies as a kid. I might not think that the grown-man version of him has any Muslim beliefs, but it’s still a little thorn in my brain.
And yep, I just compared a kid learning the Koran to a kid going to Klan rallies. Granted, it’s probably a very poorly-thought-out opinion but tough shit. It’s what I think and I bet it’s what a lot of other people think, if they think about it at all. I’ve read big chunks of the Koran and the fact of the matter is that it’s every bit (if not more) scary and hateful as Klan teachings. The main difference is Islam hates people for not worshiping God correctly, while Klansmen hate people for being not white, but ultimately, it’s the same thing: there are people you must hate and that you must smite.
In any case, either Obama is a liar or all those teachers, half-sisters, other relatives, and childhood friends are liars. There’s a really great method for deciding who’s lying in these cases, and it’s done by determining who has what to gain or lose. Indonesian schoolteachers don’t have anything to gain by saying Barack was a Muslim; Barack has much to lose by admitting that he was. I’m just saying. Dude’s a liar. (I know! Breaking news! Call CNN! A politician has told an untruth!)
It’s not just blacks that the Klan hate. It’s Catholics, too, so maybe you’re more right than you know.
May 5th, 2008 at 2:03 pmI love this liberal meme that lack of practice = lack of affiliation.
They use it all the time when they cite drops in church attendance as “proof” that Christianity is no longer a relevant influence in American society.
Not to mention Jews and Native Americans and Republicans and Asians and Latinos and…
May 5th, 2008 at 2:12 pmIf I could ask Mr. Obama one question, it would be, “When you are sworn in as President of the USA, would your hand be on the Bible or the Koran? One word answer, please”
May 5th, 2008 at 2:26 pmActually he would have been better off as a muslim. No Rev. Wright to come out of the closet.
I wonder what other chickens are waiting for him. This has got to be the craziest campaign I have ever seen.
May 5th, 2008 at 2:35 pmExcept that he’d never be able to defend 87%* of the imams out there who preach anti-American hatred in their Saudi-funded American mosques.
*Or maybe it’s 84%. Either way, the majority of muslim mosques in America are radicalized.
May 5th, 2008 at 2:44 pmI love the line where he enrolled himself in school. Lets see a six year old enrolled himself? More than likely he was enrolled by his parents who at least one of was muslim at the time, is this really a surprise to anyone?
May 5th, 2008 at 2:49 pmMohammed on a muffin! Ok, I have nothing to say, as Obama is clearly the political equivalent of a crack whore, but I wanted to work on the “God on a pastry” theme that is so popular here.
May 5th, 2008 at 2:56 pmAs a former muslim, this might have huge international implications. Muslims cannot renounce their religion. The fanaticals will be even more strident because we would have a blasphemer and heretic as our leader.
Note that his pastor, Wright, was formerly a muslim as well.
May 5th, 2008 at 3:04 pmWhat’s up makes a point - his momma or daddy filled out the paperwork, not Barry himself. Actually, if he was a muslim, and is now proclaiming Christianity, he is in grave danger, as we all know. I despise his politics and social agenda, and I see him as a worm when it comes to truthfulness, but I don’t want any American political candidate killed by fanatics of any stripe.
How many of you readers deny any religious affiliation yet can recite the sabbath blessing or The Lord’s Prayer - in either version? Meh, means nothing.
BO has ever so much more going against him now - what his parent’s wrote down on enrollment papers when he was a wee tyke are not important.
BTW, if you want a very beautiful copy of the Qaran, CAIR will send you one for free. Makes interesting reading. Strange for we who know the Bible’s style of scripture, but interesting.
May 5th, 2008 at 3:05 pmThe Obamessiah? Telling an untruth? NOOOO!
Aren’t you impressed with my moonbat impersonation? Been working on it for weeks. Same lesson plan Hillary used to portray herself as pro-gun.
May 5th, 2008 at 3:06 pmSkyler, references on that Wright was a muslim thing? That would be dynamite if true; the Heros of Allah will be in high dudgeon to kill innocents, if so.
May 5th, 2008 at 3:07 pmI have a tiny problem with it..equal to say the size of Texas ahem.
May 5th, 2008 at 3:07 pmI could go on a rant but for everyones sake I won’t heh.
I guess it’s something to do with the fact of who we’re at war with,at the very least he must have some sympathy for the other side (if not more than that) and well..Hell thats just wrong(if I was God) I would drop a Texas sized Acme Anvil on him:) *wishful thinking*
Michellecag Says:
Why would he have some sympathy for the other side? I just dont get this. Christian countries have fought each other in wars as well, do you believe that they secretly had some sympathy for the other side?
May 5th, 2008 at 3:14 pmSeriously, at this stage of the game, who cares?
I’ve gone to a Lutheran church, a Jehovah Witness Kingdom Hall, a pentecostal Baptist church and a Catholic church at one time or another in my life - yet I’m not any of those.
My ex was raised in Ireland and while Protestant went to Catholic school. He’s not Catholic. Sometimes parochial schools are a better option than public.
But hey, if this is more important than foreign relations, two ongoing military actions, our economy, etc., go right ahead.
May 5th, 2008 at 3:21 pmSadly no reference. I read it a week or two ago but can’t remember where. Still one more final exam so I won’t spend the time to find it.
May 5th, 2008 at 3:35 pmCareful Rachel -
Months ago, I said much the same thing here on your blog, but was pilloried, skewered, chastized, excoriated, and denounced.
Mind you, I agree with some here that it had to be the parents who made the claim that Barrack was a Muslim, and I agree further that, as a small child, Barrack cannot exactly be held to account for this. I suppose I take Obama at his word, that he has probably been a Christian for all of his ADULT life - when he had fully assumed the ability to make sound and reasoned judgments for himself. (If he is now telling blatant lies, then it is a character flaw worth noting and wondering about, to be sure).
However, I do worry, given his childhood past and his relations, etc, that many of his familial sentiments might still favor Islam. And this sentiment might (would probably) carry over into his professional behavior while sitting in the Oval Office - and therefore has implications for friends and enemies of the US. (Even many Palestinian Christians are becoming “radicalized” against Israel and The Jews. This troubles me greatly. Kinship between Christians and Muslims AGAINST the Jewish state is a terrible thing to ponder, as Israel must depend on Christian support for its survival).
Also, it doesn’t really matter what Barrack says about the matter - the simple fact is that other Muslims around the globe might believe and claim that apostasy and conversion has taken place, and the reward here is death.
Were I to find myself in such a conundrum, I might then also find myself making overtures to those same would-be killers to forestall my own demise… and were I also president of the US - well - should I be surprised that questions and concerns arise among my fellow citizens?
I’m completely willing to dismiss this story from his childhood as relatively unimportant. But in broader terms - and knowing what I know about Islamic abrogation and taqiyya - I nonetheless cannot help but worry about these stories. That “Reverend” Wright was possibly once a Muslim is just adding to my concerns…
Taqiyya, anyone?
May 5th, 2008 at 3:35 pmI don’t quite trust Obama on a lot of things, but I will say that I can still recite the Hail Mary after only a year of CCD classes when I was 6 years old, even though I’m not Catholic. In fact, the only reason i was ever enrolled in the CCD classes was because one of my parents was Catholic at the time. Which could explain Obama being enrolled in school as a Muslim.
However, according to Muhammad, it is ok to lie about whether or not you’re a Muslim as long as your lie goes toward furthering the cause of Islam… so finding out that he was a “Muslim” as a child does kind of make one uneasy…
May 5th, 2008 at 3:35 pmI think Muslims around the world like Obama and consider him one of their own. Cozy thought, no?
May 5th, 2008 at 3:43 pmI think I can help with that…because I’d heard the same thing. Last year, TNR published an article with this info:
It goes a long way toward explaining Wright’s affinity for Nation of Islam’s Louis Farrakhan, why he would publish the Hamas manifesto in his church’s bulletin, and get his master’s degree in Islam in West Africa.
May 5th, 2008 at 3:56 pmIn my opinion, he’s not a Muslim unless he chose to practice Islam as an adult, or at least as a young teen. As a six-year-old, he was signed up by his family and had no choice. No matter if the Muslim world thinks he converted and is therefore marked for death — we’ve all think that’s batshit anyway. Maybe that’s what he’s trying to avoid? Not hard to understand why anyone would want to bury that huh?
I also think that we already know he has sympathy for Muslims — Why is less important to me: if it’s because he used to be one or because he used to live in that part of the world, or because his father’s side of the family is — does it really matter the source?
I’d prefer to have him beaten in the election because the majority of Americans disagree with his policies, not because he was signed up as a muslim at age 6.
That said, it’s still fair game to give him shit about lying.
May 5th, 2008 at 4:00 pmMaybe that’s why Obama felt comfortable in that church in the 1st place? NOT AT ALL a comfortable thought.
May 5th, 2008 at 4:04 pmWhether Obama is still affiliated with Islam is actually less important, I think, than how Islam views both Apostasy and Taqiyya. On the one hand, getting elected may paint a HUGE bullseye on Obama’s head. On the other hand, the Islamic radicals may well cry out to their supporters that Obama is their agent in America. And BOTH could happen, from different subgroups. Either way, it would spell more trouble in the world.
May 5th, 2008 at 4:10 pmFor what it is worth, The New Republic floated the news that Jeremiah Wright was a Muslim. On March 19, 2007 author Ryan Lizza posted an article entitled “The Agitator” and subtitled “Barack Obama’s unlikely political education.”
The New Republic is hardly a bastion of trustworthy journalism, but the article is quite provocative and deserves reliable “Frisking.”
Obama was a Muslim as a youth. Radical Islam has within its thinking that he should be killed for forsaking Islam.
Obama has an over abundance of association with hate America types: Saul Alinsky, Bill Ayres and Jeremiah Wright to be specific. The association itself is not proof, but it warrants an honest discussion.
I can accept that a grade school association with Islam is not necessarily life forming. Why he has not distanced himself from Bill Ayers remains to be explained. Both he and Hillary need to come clean about their Saul Alinsky associations.
Radicalism, whether of the Islamic variety or the neo-Marxist nature is manipulative, deceptive and “means to an end” oriented.
Obama should be held to strict account for his proximity to these characters. I would be certain that Obama avoids certain associations for his political health. Why does he risk trying to laugh these guys off? Is it because his “audacity of hope” and “change” programs are neo-Marxist in nature?
May 5th, 2008 at 4:12 pmExactly right, WayneB.
Either way, more trouble…
May 5th, 2008 at 4:14 pmHis lying, his politics, his throwing grandma under the bus, his rascism, his murkier by the minute true religious beliefs (in short, his ‘politics as usual’) - it all pales in comparision to his angry, bitter, rascist, elitest wife’s big mouth and all the venom that comes out of it. I don’t need any more reason than that right there to not give the guy a second glance. If you told me he worshipped frogs when he was 10 I wouldn’t care, because I was already done with him long ago because of his charming, hate filled wife. Does that make me hate filled? Hey, I already am, according to Michelle, and she’s never even met me - may as well be guilty as charged!
May 5th, 2008 at 4:15 pmThe fact is that hussein (and wright) were practicing muslims. Supposedly, they have both renounced islam for Christianity - which makes them apostates and subject to the death penalty from any muslim who can get to them. However, hussein has been labled as the preferrable candidate by the “radical” muslim factions sworn to destroy both America and Israel; and wright has been defended and praised by the same groups. That hardly seems to be the sort of rhetoric one would expect from those groups toward an apostate.
May 5th, 2008 at 4:57 pmI’m callin’ taqiyya on this one. I believe that “president” hussein’s singular accomplishment would be to ignite a civil war.
Just one more reason to not like the man. Even if he’s no longer a Muslim, it’s lying and covering things up. And he’s never addressed the madrassa issue in Indonesia. He maintains he never went there…yet how do so many people from that time remember him? He runs from the truth - yeah, he’ll make a find President.
May 5th, 2008 at 5:33 pmRe-read the article, Brooke. It’s not that he attended a Muslim school, it’s that he went to Koranic Studies class at a Muslim school.
But can you recite it in Latin?
May 5th, 2008 at 6:04 pmMarla has an excellent point. The wife of BO is one reprehensible character.
Despite all the faults and woes of the Bush administration, it has been a joy to know that our First Lady is actually…well, a lady.
After the angry, shrieking Hildebeast, Laura Bush has been a refreshing change back to an old-fashioned, gracious America. Sorry if that sounds chauvanistic (to tie things here to an earlier thread…)
If Michelle Obama becomes First Lady, we will have to always surround the term in quotes - as in “first lady” Michelle Obama…
May 5th, 2008 at 6:14 pmQ. How many Muslims does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
A. Just one, but they’re still in the Dark Ages.
May 5th, 2008 at 6:58 pmIt doesn’t matter whether Obama claims to be anything other than Muslim. In Islam religion is passed down automatically from father to children. Obama is an apostate regardless of anything said otherwise. It is Sunnah that his punishment is death…if Muslims worldwide did believe what Obama is claiming. Yet I haven’t heard a peep from the Billion-man Death Cult, how odd. There are many eternal “truths” in Islam, such as, “Convert or Die, Stay Converted or Die.” Pretty much a sure thing that Islam is a “growing religion.”
May 5th, 2008 at 8:37 pmMuslim or no, now or ever, to my view, his Marxism is still his most damning quality.
May 5th, 2008 at 9:55 pmThe issue of what religion he was exposed to as a child really is part of a bigger problem, at least as I see it. Obama spent many of his formative years outside of the USA, and I could live with that if I knew his parents were solid Americans- but they weren’t. Or if he wasn’t indoctrinated into a religion that (at least in that part of the world) stands in opposition to American values- but he was. In short, his upbringing was anything but baseball and apple pie. Or even basketball and pizza. It just seems to me that much of what we hold near and dear is picked up in childhood- maybe even subconsciously since certainly no one remembers much of what happened when they were six or seven. Let’s just say I’d be a lot happier if he’d been a Tiger Scout when he was six instead of learning the Koran.
May 5th, 2008 at 10:00 pmOn 9/11, who would have thought that, seven years later, a person named Barack Hussein Obama–who may or may not be a Muslim–would be among the leading candidates for President.
I have a serious problem with that.
/Actually, none of that even matters. He’s a Marxist. That’s all I need to know about him.
May 5th, 2008 at 10:02 pmFelicity, in my opinion you are correct, but then again, I really don’t see much of a difference between Islamosfascism and state-imposed communism - they both mean the same thing - submission and renunciation of the self to the state - or the creed, etc. What does it matter? The difference will be noted on the boxcar taking the dissidents to the camps. The swastika, the hammer-and-sickle, the crescent moon - which flag should we prefer fly over our execution?
It remains that some protected minority in power (no matter, the Reich, the Kremlin or the Caliphate) decides what is best for the rest of us. Death for those who question and oppose.
The absence of religion (Marx), or a lethal dose of religion (Islam) in the form of bowing towards Mecca 5 times a day - the same result occurs, whether termed Marxism or Islamofascism.
I am heartened to know that you despise Marxism. I can only hope that you reserve the same disdain for the threat from Sharia.
The differences between the two are qualitative only - but the one great common evil is this - a central power dictating your daily behavior. And what job you will take (including slave labor in the mines). And where you’ll live. And who you’ll marry. And where and when you’ll be buried. On the brighter side, we, in the modern age, care not that we are buried in unmarked graves. Or that in death we are unsung and unremembered. Good for us. We are so enlightened.
This kind of thinking must be opposed, always. Islamosfascism is the new Nazism. Americans should know that it ought to be despised. After all, respect to our founders means that we heed what they say: America is mankind’s last, best hope.
May 5th, 2008 at 10:23 pmWhen the Constitution (I’m pretty sure it’s that basic) was written with the law that an American President was to be born in America, it meant raised in America, just to avoid the potential foreign influences and questions about his past so obvious in Obama.
May 5th, 2008 at 11:08 pmTaqiyya, anyone?
Either way he is a lying sack that thought he would skate right in cause he talks so purty.
May 5th, 2008 at 11:16 pmHere’s the real issue: All you need to do to be a Muslim is to recite the claim of faith, which Obama undoubtedly did if he was going to Koran study. In the eyes of our enemy, if you are once a Muslim, you are always a Muslim. There is no renouncing of faith. So, we elect Obama and the terrorists win because the leader of the free world, in their eyes, is a Muslim.
Some may say that this would bring a new understanding with our enemies. I ask them to look to Thailand. How’s it working out for them?
May 6th, 2008 at 3:10 amfrigger
Not to worry! I’m actually well into America Alone as we speak. My point was not at all that the imminent threat of Islam should not be taken seriously, only that I find B.O.’s politics sufficiently repugnant that I need no further reason to oppose him any more vigorously than I do already. In his case, it’s just seems rather akin to appending a hate crime conviction to the offenses of someone who has already been sentenced to death.
As far as creeping Sharia, I see the threat as far more insidious and ‘bottom up’ at this point — small, daily concessions, dressed up as ‘tolerance’, being made on a local level, creating a numbing complacency — than ‘top down’.
May 6th, 2008 at 9:19 amSeppo, for those of us not watching the events in Thailand (because we generally just don’t care), can you explain your point about how it’s “working our for them?”
May 6th, 2008 at 9:42 amActually, they do. “Modern” Islamism is an ideology with pretensions to the One Truth and ambitions for worldwide influence, if not dominance.
At the same time, the Islamic world has been sucking hind tit (or worse) for at least the last 3 or 4 centuries. Even if the self-inflicted backwardness, poverty and non-competitiveness of the Islamic world were not self-evident, they now have 24/7 satellite TV and radio to tell them how downtrodden they are and how it’s the fault of the West, America and THE JOOOOOOOOS! (And Hollywood to tell them how rich, corrupt, bloated and evil we are.)
Like anyone who craves respect and legitimacy, they are desperate to claim any famous or influential person is one of their own.
And remember: According to taqqiya it’s OK to be a Secret Muslim, if that’s what you have to do to survive ‘n’ prosper in a hostile land.
(I’m not sayin’ BHO is a Muslim in his heart-of-hearts; I’m sayin there are a lot of Muslims who’d be willing to believe it, tho’.)
Reality check: Have we seen this guy eat pork (other than the $99/lb dry-cured Spanish ham)?”
May 6th, 2008 at 10:12 amPS: I believe BHO when he says he’s a Christian. It’s one of the things that scares me about him because he’s so far to the left. A sincere, evangelical Christianity wedded to democratic socialism would be harder to get overcome than Communism once it took root….shudder.
May 6th, 2008 at 10:15 amWith the exception of four years. Obama was raised in the United States.
May 6th, 2008 at 10:31 amNah, he was raised in Hawaii.
May 6th, 2008 at 10:38 amA quick couple of thoughts because I am late to the party. I’m sorry if this is repeating anything above.
1) Reverent Wright brought him to Christianity 20 years ago. He’s 48 but has always been a Christian?
2) Possible reason he has to lie about never being a Muslim (aside from the Presidency). If it were true that he was a Muslim and is now a Christian, he’d be on of the most “high value” apostates in all the world. This would make him a target for many of the islamic extremists who believe apostates need to be killed, even more than infidels. The lie may not simply be self serving, it may also be true self preservation.
May 6th, 2008 at 10:49 amYou are all a bunch of closed minded hatefull individuals. Just read what you wrote.
May 6th, 2008 at 11:46 amTo remember something you learned in childhood in English is one thing, but to remember - well - something in a completely unrelated language that one does not use every day, is another.
May 6th, 2008 at 1:24 pmSilly rabbits! Of course he couldn’t say he was a Muslim….and now he’s a Christian.
Quick! What happens to those people? How much :ooomph: do you think he’ll have left with the Muslim population if this is proven true?
Ohh……the irony. It almost makes be believe in Gods.
May 6th, 2008 at 1:44 pmLOL!!!!
It’s easy to make an unsupported and insulting assertion, like this:
Nancy, you’re a moron.
It’s harder to make an actual, you know, argument that has points supported with, you know, facts. Something like: “Nancy can’t spell (’hatefull‘, ‘closed minded‘). It could be that she doesn’t know she can’t spell. Otherwise, she could cut-and-paste into Word and hit ’spell check’ before posting and we’d be none the wiser. I could then read her posts without laughing”.
Go away and put in a few more hours’ practice on that crayon-to-digital interface. Come back when you have an argument.
May 6th, 2008 at 1:45 pmWait a minute! I’m pretty hateful…but I’m not closed mindeded in the leasted.
May 6th, 2008 at 1:58 pmrocinante
The Christian school I went to for 1st through 3rd grades taught German - much of which I still recall! On a really ironic note, however, the original campus has since been sold — to an Islamic school owned by the Saudis!
See? It’s the local level incursions I find most disturbing!
May 6th, 2008 at 1:59 pmrocinante,
I can still sing “O Tannenbaum” and “Stille Nacht! Heilige Nacht!” quite well (according to my German friends. I learned it 40 years ago…at the age of 10.
May 6th, 2008 at 2:02 pmI didn’t want to engage the troll, but since others engaged I’ll add in.
She thinks we have closed our minds. I think the better description is that she has closed her eyes. To those willfully, dutifully, blind to uncomfortable truth, those who see seem hateful, thus they lack the enlightenment of the blind, and are therefore closed-minded.
I’ll also admit, I’m terrible at spelling.
May 6th, 2008 at 2:19 pm‘Hate-filled,’ Nancy, please!
And ‘closed minded?’ Thank you, dear — then at least my brain is in no immediate danger of tumbling out!
May 6th, 2008 at 2:26 pmI love how Nancy calls us “close-minded” while simultaneously admitting that her mind is utterly closed to our point of view.
I think there’s a proverb about this sort of thing. Something about glass houses and specks and logs…something like that.
May 6th, 2008 at 2:56 pmI’m more disturbed that he lied, than I am about his being a Muslim while very young. And you’ve proven it to my satisfaction. He was a Muslim and he did lie.
Now I’ll have to tell my mother who I’ve adamantly said was being silly for saying Barack Hussein Obama (first time I’ve used his full name like this) was a Muslim.
So now I feel foolish about not only believing, but defending his lies.
So now, what does this mean? Do all fundamentalist Muslims have a religious duty to kill him now as an apostate? Does this complicate U.S. international relations by having a Muslim apostate as President should he be elected?
Arguably worse, does this explain his radicalism, his attraction to Jeremiah Wright, and is there more here than meets the eye? Is it pure coincidence Obama’s pastor, of all people, largely hates the U.S., loves Louis Farakhan, Nation of Islam founder, and had pro-Islamic terrorist messages in the church newsletter? A church so radical even Oprah left?
Why does Obama seem so eager to withdraw from Iraq, victory be damned, and talk to Iran?
You have to read this article from Power Line:
Obama has a lot of explaining to do. Without lies, preferably.
May 6th, 2008 at 3:41 pmNancy, honey … having a closed mind is a good thing. If it were open, like yours obviously is … all the stuffing leaks out and you become totally clueless.
But thanks for playing. Oh, and BTW, “hateful” is one of those PC words that just means “he doesn’t agree with me, sob”
I went to kindergarden in Gernmany, before I started school in Canada. And yeah, I have absolutely no trouble remembering the German I learned, or the Sunday School lessons from the various churches that I attended before I was old enough to decide for myself which religion I wanted to follow.
Personally, beyond thinking B. Hussein is a vile liar, I think he’s lying not because he fears the fate of the apostate … but because he’s hiding the fact he’s a confirmed headchopper himself.
May 6th, 2008 at 3:45 pmWas that a proverb in the Koran? Ask Barry about it.
Have him eat pork - now that is funny! Or maybe throw a football. No need to tell him they really aren’t made out of pigskin - based on his bowling skills, he is quite the sportsman already.
May 6th, 2008 at 3:48 pmNancy -
I don’t consider myself a closed-minded hateful individual. And I have re-read what I had written.
I just don’t see the closed-mindedness, nor the hate. Just thinking out loud, really - and pondering.
It is not possible that all cultures are equivalent - either in science, political freedom, or morality, (however difficult it is to define).
Frankly I am tired of all this moral equivalence. It cannot be said that a culture (for all its faults) that feeds most of the world and put men on the moon is EQUIVALENT to a primitive tribal culture that still believes that warfare and pillage are means to produce wealth. And that subjugation of “different” peoples (read, infidels) is an acceptable practice in ensuring societal harmony. Yet many Islamic cultures believe this and practice this.
That is not hateful - it’s just an observation.
If I am wrong here, please point it out specifically. I try to post opinions without offense and without name-calling - I like learning new things and addressing old errors.
So help me out here.
May 6th, 2008 at 4:04 pm“To remember something you learned in childhood in English is one thing, but to remember - well - something in a completely unrelated language that one does not use every day, is another.”
Not so. I learned some basic prayers in Church Slavonic as a child. Despite the fact that I don’t speak any modern Slavic language and I was raised in the Latin Rite church rather than the Byzantine Rite, I can still rattle off those prayers and sound like I know what I’m talking about
That stuff burns itself into your brain and stays there, believe me.
And no, I don’t think Obama is Muslim. Do you really think Michelle would put up with that?
May 6th, 2008 at 8:50 pmI did. You have a problem with it?
May 6th, 2008 at 9:19 pm