I will dog-blog your face off.
(And this is the thread for VP debate commentary if you live through it.)
The debate approaches, T minus 2.5 hours as I write this. I expect a horror show but that’s just because I’m such an optimist. All I know is, Rupert is picking up a bottle of whiskey on the way home from work because he is a man of reason and foresight.
Meanwhile, I feel it my duty to distract you from the oncoming freight train of gaffes and mistakes (whether you be a Democrat or a Republican) by posting some oldies but goodies. Such as the time I put a Ritz cracker on Sunny’s face because I sensed it would make her look like a crosseyed psycho. I do this out of love.
And then there was the time, before we adopted Maggie but were dog-sitting her while my parents were on vacation, when she spent roughly 23 hours a day humping Sunny while Old Digger watched and giggled and thought about how payback is SUCH a bitch.
In case you don’t know what I mean by payback, the first year of Sunny’s life with Digger was basically one long episode of this:
And this:
“Normal” bloggers would make an actual post about the debate and offer that as the place for your comments about said debate. I’m unburdened by such conventions and unafraid of chaos, so this is the thread for debate comments.
Frankly, I think all four of those dog pictures will probably end up being a pretty good analysis of the debate. Both Biden and Palin will likely come off just like Sunny in the first pic, and as for the other three, all that remains to be seen is who ends up the humiliated humpee and who the victorious humper.
I told you I’m not Charles Freakin’ Krauthammer. This is Lucas-style political analysis. Deal.
Young Sunny makes a great hat.
You’ve even got me interested in this debate.
And I live in New freaking Zealand.
It’s happening at 2 p.m our time (not that I am going to become unproductive at work, or anything.Wouldn’t dream of it).
October 2nd, 2008 at 6:01 pmI’m waiting to see if the 2 debaters start doing to each other as sunny and digger have demonstrated.
October 2nd, 2008 at 6:04 pmWell, I come to this site for just that in-depth dog-humping political analysis that cannot be found in other media.
October 2nd, 2008 at 6:09 pmJoyce had a name for that. She called it “People-Style.” She was thinking of an old basset hound in her old neighborhood. Apparently it made sense to him.
October 2nd, 2008 at 6:25 pmSeeing those Digger pix reminds me again of how much he looked like my old Wolf-mix, Semtex (short tail & all). Damn! I miss that dog!
October 2nd, 2008 at 6:33 pmGreat pics! Love them! Especially the first.
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:03 pmThank god for Rachel’s dogblogging. I’m sitting in the parking lot of my county’s GOP HQ where I will watch the debate sans hard liquor. Am I asking for pain? Perhaps, but I scoff at pain. Mwahaha.
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:17 pmWait, what?
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:22 pmThat itty bitty thing is Sunny?!?
Oh my.
RHI, I always ask for pain. Then I dull it with sweet, sweet alcohol.
Too bad I haven’t brewed a really strong beer in a while. Depending on how things go tonight, I might have to start chugging the Yuengling. Chugging Samichlaus is not a good idea.
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:24 pmSay that three times fast.
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:29 pmLove the dog-bloggin! I’m very relieved you’re keeping it light and cool here cuz I’m sick and tired of politics. Can barely find a place to escape to…’cept your blog. I was so grateful I hit your tip jar earlier today.
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:33 pmImpossible if you’ve just done it.
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:39 pmSpeaking of Samichlaus, here’s some info for those of you not familiar with it. It weighs in at a whopping 14% alcohol, a pretty good number, even for a barleywine.
I’ve been meaning to clone the darned thing, but I have trouble waiting 12 months to drink anything that I brew.
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:41 pmWell, I love Krauthammer (the name alone earns him mega points) but you are definitely among my top five favorite political commentators (-ters?). I am inhaling Heath Bars (my substitute for whiskey), as I nervously await the debate which is now only *minutes* away.
I am so conflicted: Watch the debate? Induce diabetic coma? They are equally attractive options at the moment.
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:42 pmHell, PG, I can’t wait for the COFFEE to brew in the morning, let alone fine alcohol … waiting for it is like standing next to the roller coaster and going “whee” while everyone else is already riding …
Isn’t there anything faster than a microwave?
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:56 pmI like Krauthammer. I also like dog humping pictures. All works for me.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:05 pmFirst debate comment:
Is she really going to keep harping on how great McCain is and using “reform” like a magic word.. or get into details and hand Biden his ass?
Come on Sarahcuda, lets see some pit bullin’!
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:10 pmWhere and when the hell was Obama talking about regulation on Wall Street?!!?!?!?
WTH…
I think she’s kicking his ass so far.
Though we’re early on in the discussion.
‘I may not answer the questions as the moderator or the Senator would like me to…’
GOOD
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:15 pmI can’t keep up. I’m liveblogging at 3 other places.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:15 pmI do wanna see her piss him off. He’s got a hell of a temper.
Sounds like she’s starting to pick him apart. Especially mentioning small business taxes.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:17 pmAt least reform sounds more intellectual than HOPE & CHANGE. I still don’t know what that means.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:19 pmARRGGHH! Choke … the debate’s on, isn’t it???
I’m still at work … and I have a 20 minute drive home!
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:21 pmFie on job security bringin’, problem havin’, fool-life plannin’, needy pre-med students … DAMMIT!
Biden and his “fairness” crap! Bull!
And now he seems to be getting crabby.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:21 pmOh God
Why couldn’t she get a haircut?
All night long (so far) she’s got a little fwop of hair apparently glued to her eyelashes. Every time she blinks it’s …it’s…
It’s as bad as a booger hangin out.
It’s distracting. Tina Fey and SNL will be all over it.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:22 pmAmelia … frigger …… aaahhhhrrgghh!
*PANT*
Do I get a blow-by-blow from my favorite commenters, or jump in the car and hope for the best … ?
EDIT: Going home, but called ahead to get make sure nobody had messed with the TIVO and therefore needed to be killed upon arrival.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:23 pmShe’s using more political buzzwords than I’d like. I want to hear the hard numbers and facts that will bust Biden in the eye.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:25 pmCan either of them complete a sentence??
OMG, just shoot me now…
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:29 pmI wish she’d quit yapping about greedy folks on Wall Street without mentioning the morons in congress that contributed so much to the economic mess.
Am I thinking about this ass backwards, or wasn’t the problem with the mortgages and lending a problem from REGULATION (forcing the banks to give loans to “underserved populations” when they didn’t want to) rather than DEregulation???
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:30 pmAmen, Amelia…
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:31 pmWow…I didn’t know Biden was a scientist. It’s a FACT that man kind caused global warming, eh?
This is just painful!
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:33 pmYou keep mentioning whiskey. What kind? I don’t see you as a Scotch drinker, so…
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:34 pmHurry 14k Hurry!!!
Biden just LIED!!! He JUST said that he has always supported clean coal. WHATEVER.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:36 pmI’m stuck at work, I keep throwing up in my mouth, and I can’t get to source of alcohol…
I don’t know if I’m going to make it…
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:36 pmOh oh oh … Joe’s starting to crumble on the clean coal issue.. starting to react to her pressure…
How is Sarahcuda when she smells blood in the water.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:36 pmBut of course Biden is a scientist! You mean you didn’t know that?
Wait, you mean he’s just talking out his ass?
Ah, yes. THAT sounds much more like the truth.
He calls for setting hard targets on clean coal? More like hard targets for hurting the economy with more taxes and carbon-banning crud.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:37 pmWhat a difference a few weeks makes. She used up all her A material back at the convention and so it doesn’t look like she’s been able to come up with anything new.
Come November she can go back to Alaska and talk about energy all she wants.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:37 pmWow…no legal distinction between same sex and other marriage. How does he propose doing that on a federal level? Not that this issue is a big one for me. Sheesh.
Good…Palin wants to support the traditional definition of marriage - one man and one woman. But tolerant of adults who make their own decisions. Sounds good to me.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:38 pmWhere in the hell does it say gay marriage or civil unions in the constitution?
Which version of the constitution is he reading?
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:39 pmThis is John McCain’s fault, because he said in an unspecified interview on an unspecified date about an unspecified topic, that he generally supported deregulation. Biden is as greasy as they come. 35 minutes in: Palin is doing fine.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:39 pmWait…didn’t he JUST say that the government would support same sex marriage and now says NO his administration wouldn’t support such a thing. WTH?!
Reno…go away. She needs to be let go and get off script. That’s when she is BEST.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:39 pmWhoah whoah…
Obama couldn’t even get his ass close to Iraq until 2008,and the last time he visited was in 2003.
Yet he went to Iowa over 40 times.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:42 pmGood…put more troops in Afghanistan. No early withdrawal from Iraq.
Biden wants a timeline…hasn’t that already been debunked as a stupid idea?
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:42 pmYAY! “White flag of surrender”
Yeah baby!
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:43 pmYes, she called Biden’s plan a white flag of surrender! YAY! Call a… small digging tool a small digging tool!
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:43 pmJINX!!
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:45 pmIs he REALLY trying to paint McCain as anti-Troop!?!?!? ROFL Mccain has been “Dead wrong” ??? That’s news to me. He’s so backward!
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:45 pm*grin* Amelia…great minds.
Um…when has Pakistan threatened Israel???
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:46 pmHow different from a madrasah would a school be in Pakistan?
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:47 pmBAM!
GEN Petraeus and Al Q called Iraq the central front. Done.
She has the pulse on Iran/Pakistan. They’re both dangerous. It doesn’t matter which is more.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:48 pmDon’t smirk at her you smarmy SOB.
“Patreas defined Iraq as the central fight with Al Qaeda.” Right on!
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:48 pmWhy does Iraq and Pakistan have to be an either/or thing?
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:49 pm“good conversation with Kissinger” Woot!
She’s doing pretty good on the foreign policy considering it’s supposed to be her “weak” point.
STOP sighing and smirking at her. I want to smack that smirk off his face.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:49 pmUm…Obama did TOO say he’d sit down without precondition to talk with Akmadenewackjob. Sheesh. He doesn’t even blush telling all those lies.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:51 pmDid Biden just roll his eyes? I wish I had TiVo so I could back it up and see…
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:52 pmI’m watching, painful as it is. She’s not tanking and my husband says Biden sounds like a broken record. He seems to be denying and lying a lot. No surprise there. Isn’t that his M.O.? Still, I’m wincing. Maybe it’s out of anxiety. Gwen Ifill, I would think, has essentially been de-fanged in what she can ask inasmuch as the world got wind of her book deal. She does have an irritated look on her face–kind of like she feels constipated or something.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:52 pm“no one has been a better friend of Israel than Joe Biden.”
Who’s Joe Biden?
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:53 pmSo the West Bank shouldn’t have elections because they can’t handle them? Because they’ll choose the wrong people??
Sheesh. Those stupid little brown folks don’t know how to choose the RIGHT types as their leaders.
(Which does not mean that I don’t think Hamas and Hezbollah are crappy choices.)
EDIT: DAMN I garbled that first sentence! Fixed it now.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:55 pm“She does have an irritated look on her face–kind of like she feels constipated or something.”
*snort* That’s too funny.
I’ve tuned out…arg. Reform, reform. bla bla bla
Joe is lying … bla bla bla
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:55 pmWait…Is McCain George Bush? How many times can Joe say George Bush?
And what the hell does “past is prologue” mean???
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:56 pmThis is just a general observation about the tone of the debate:
I’m hearing too much of the same stuff that I’ve heard before from both parties. Both of them sound too much like “politicians” giving formulaic answers. I don’t trust or like “politicians”. When you talk to me like a person, I feel like I can listen, understand, agree, argue, and more or less trust you at your word, even if I don’t agree with you. When you talk to me like a politician, I feel like I have to count my fingers after shaking hands with you. Sarah’s first speech sounded more like a real person and less like a politician. That’s what won her the following in the first place and that’s what her debate coaches should have allowed.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:56 pm*snicker*
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:57 pmI’m amused by watching Biden rise up on his toes every time he says “George Bush’s.”
“So the West Bank shouldn’t can’t handle have elections? Because they’ll choose the wrong people?? ”
Wait…who said that? I zoned out.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:57 pmYeah, “past is prologue.” I’ve heard it before, but I’m not entirely sure what it means.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:59 pmleft coast bruce … yeah … I am sad that they have her on a leash. LET HER GO!!! She’s best when she’s off script and just herself.
Wait…WTF! I’ve read everywhere that a surge in Afghanistan is exactly what we need. Who said we don’t need a surge there? What is he talking about?
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:59 pmHubby says that Biden looks defeated and tired. And he’s not a big political junkie.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:01 pmShe nailed the COIN working in Afghan. Good hit.
His response is a bit stunned. Then he hits the talking points. And talks about how much time HE spent in country.. like anyone cares?
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:01 pmhttp://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20081002/news_1n2afghan.html
Here is where Gen.McKiernan said the surge in Iraq wouldn’t work in Afghanistan but a SUSTAINED COMMITMENT WOULD.
Biden quit taking stuff out of context,and misquoting a guy who has more guts than you do to sign on to an Army career.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:02 pmAh, now I think she’s talking better. Much more like a person than spitting out facts and numbers.
I mean, I’m glad she has the facts and numbers in her head (makes mine hurt to think of trying to remember all those). But I like it better when she talks a bit less formally.
But then, I’m also a Bible-clinging rube. What do I know?
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:05 pmI can’t manage to type comments fast enough…I keep having to stop to throw things at the TV…
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:05 pm“I’m so not a Washington insider…not used to how you guys do things.” LOVE THAT!!!
See…when she is off leash she kicks so much booty.
Shite…Trooper is staring at me to go to Agility. ARG! I’m going to miss the last part of it. Somebody keep up the comments k? =) I wanna come back and read and snort and giggle.
Hubby says he thinks Biden is surprised by how smart Palin is. ROFL He cracks me up. He said “What else is there to do up in Alaska except study?” *giggle* Sometimes he cracks me up that hubby of mine.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:05 pmWow.
She flat called him a liar to his face.
Balls.
I smile.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:07 pmFrankly, I’d take being tied down for a decade if my other options were attacks on US soil and tucking tail like a craven wuss and cringing at the feet of our Euro-betters and people who want us dead.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:07 pmEverytime Biden’s responding it sounds as if he’s playing defense to me. Is it just me or does he sound like that to y’all too? I’m a political junkie who HATES to watch debates–any debates. They’re just too stressful, but I think she’s zinged him a few times anyway. I like when she gets an idea about how she’s going to answer him because she gets that smile…
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:08 pmACK! Home now and BECS is watching with bated breath .. can’t wait until I can watch the whole thing later, castocreations!
God forbid that would ever happen … whatever, JB! All VP’s hope to be POTUS, however it happens!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:08 pmLOL
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:09 pmThat annoying Biden… I’d be right there with ya, but that would just encourage the toddler to copy me. And he’d break something.
I’m waiting for Biden to just scream out, “Republicans SUCK!!” and then go pout in the corner…heeheehee
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:09 pmCastocreations, what they do up in Alaska when they’re not studying is make lots of whoopie…and babies. LOL
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:10 pmI agree, Tammy. I was just saying that to my husband. Biden seems to be on the defensive.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:10 pmDid you hear that?? Biden says the middle class is going to be “reinstated”. I’m curious…
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:11 pmA little reality from Wasilla Main Street … government, get out of my way!
Can I respond … I spend a lot of time in Home Depot?
HEH!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:11 pmOK…. it’s shaping up like “Main Street” is going to be the phrase that makes me grate my teeth just like “nuance” did in 2004. -_____-
Find a synonym, people! The English language is ENORMOUS!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:11 pm“Say it ain’t so, Joe!”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:12 pmI. am. LOVING. HER!!!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:12 pmBiden did flip 2 minutes later on gay marriage. At least that’s what I heard.
The surge wouldn’t work in Iraq, or at least nobody could have known. What do we need in Afghanistan - more troops! Now!
Now he suddenly knows where Darfur is.
Now palin is turning on the cute - gee I don’t get these fancy Washington ways where you’re against things you voted for. Wow. Her stiletto is getting a little red.
Biden is looking defensive, growing louder, talking faster - in short, acting like a liar who’s mad that he can’t sell it.
Now the guy that got 2% of the vote is promising to carry out B-HO’s policies. Wise, that. Except it looks the fakest he’s been yet.
Palin sounds like a real populist.
Biden is responding to George Bush.
The middle class HAS gotten the short end. Because every plan to soak the rich soaks the Middle Class, because they got all the money.
Obama delenda est.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:12 pmSuck it Joe.
What cheeses me the most is that he’s trying to play all blue-collar yet he’s been in Washington, D.C., what, 30+ years. When has his designer-suit wearing carcass ever been in Home Depot?
YES!! She’s off the leash again!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:13 pmHe sure is.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:14 pmYou’d know if you ever saw Biden in Home Depot. He’d be the guy looking longingly at the enormous selection of screws…
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:15 pmI don’t want universal pre-school! That’ll just turn the programs already existing into shit with all the regulating and checking-up and mandating!
*WE* will be the ones to decide when our son goes to preschool, not some bureaucratic rule. (We means me and my husband.)
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:16 pmI was just in Home Depot with my three-year-old son today. He actually paused to take it all in. I smiled at him and said, “See, son, this is where BIG boys get THEIR toys.”
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:17 pmHaha screws!
And there sure are a lot of different kinds!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:17 pmBRAVO!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:17 pmHA! She wants to tap that!
She’s awesome tonight. Thank you debate saints!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:17 pmD.W., I heard that “reinstated” remark from Biden too and said, “Wha…?” I don’t get it. Furthermore, I don’t think it means anything because I think he said it not meaning for it mean anything whatsoever…but that’s just how my ears are hearing it. Anyone else have an idea of what he means by that?
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:17 pmDouble-plus AMEN to that, Amelia!!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:18 pmThere were so many random words thrown by each of them tonight that I think you could fill a Scrabble board with them.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:19 pmHis flaw is a lack of discipline? I thought it was that he liked the taste of his own feet…
Biden thinks he has an excess of passion? Now, it’s true, I haven’t paid truckloads of attention to him, but I’ve never heard that description.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:21 pmRecord of change … achilles heel …
Of course he has a record of change — changing the attribution for someone else’s words so he can plagiarize them …
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:22 pmAmelia, I don’t have children, but I agree with you that it should be yours and your husband’s choice where your son goes to pre-school.
She’s waxing Reagan-esque. Lovely. Biden’s saying that he hasn’t changed the whole time he’s been in office. Does he think that’s a good point? Now he’s going for sympathy. I do feel for him having to raise his children alone, but he’s pulling an Edwards now.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:22 pmIs he tearing up?
Oy…
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:22 pmWho’s the girl?
Oh MY GOD! Biden choked up and almost started crying!
Two baby pants guys vs. al Qaeda. Great.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:23 pmHe mentioned the 100,000 cops again. the Clinton 100,000 cops Program that put easily another 18,000 cops on the street. Albany, OR got one. Wonder if any went to Alaska.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:23 pmLOL
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:23 pm“Leave” instead of “lead” ?? I’ve gotta ask, was that a Freudian slip?
Biden, you were a single parent for three years. Yes, it was sad. But this isn’t a talking point that works for you.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:23 pmBiden’s “Achille’s heel” is that he’s a libtard… I’m surprised he can walk; that sucker’s HUGE…
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:23 pmOoooo…Biden is mad, mad, mad. He prolly wants to slap a woman right now. Yes, he’s playing defense.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:24 pmI wish Biden would get away from that kitchen table and let those people finish their dinner in peace.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:25 pmFirst he cries, now he’s pitching a fit.
Putting a gun to the old Maverick’s head (I love him but now I must shoot him!) and pulling the trigger.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:25 pmwow he’s getting to butt in a little too often
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:25 pmHuge Achilles heel, baby pants guys… you guys are hilarious! That’s part of why I love this site. The humor is great!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:26 pmHe is judging the moral turpitude of judges?
WHAT? Lie and plagiarize, JB, and then tell us you are the end-all of judging judges. Nice.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:27 pm??????????
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:28 pmDon’t question their motives?
I thought that was an essential part of politics… people’s motives matter, don’t they?
She’s making sense about the policies have to “speak for themselves.” She’s right. I would love to hear off the record what she really thinks about this week’s “crap sandwich.”
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:29 pmGod. When they let her loose, she is good.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:29 pmJoe Biden has a Capraesque movie of his career playing in his head that bears no resemblence to reality. But ain’t it pretty when he describes it!
Too bad for him that Gov. Palin seems to be the one with her feet firmly planted on the planet earth.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:29 pm…and that’s why I’ll be voting Democrat, for the first time in my life.
Naah, just trying out an astroturf line.
I’m in Sydney Australia.
Go Sarah! A strong and prosperous US, based on small town principles, is good for the world. What’s good for the US is good for the world.
Euro leaders secretly applaud every time Sarah knocks Putin. Obama only sees their slimy side.
We all want the US to win!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:29 pmOuch!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:30 pmAre Couric’s ears burning??
Without the filter of the MSM!
GO SARAHCUDA!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:30 pmi love what she said about Freedom. It isn’t passed in the bloodstream.
BAM. Center mass hit!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:31 pmGovernor Palin - Great Close!
Has anyone else been obsessing over Senator Biden’s eyes? The outside corners are all turned up and he can barely get his eyelids all the way open. Could he have had an eye lift? Is there a tiny fence puller hidden up there in those hairplugs?
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:32 pmAre they wrapping up? What do y’all think about their respective performances?
As for me, I think she won and that’s not because I favored her anyway. If she sucked, I’d be the first to say so. Biden…I figure he’s just being himself. I did like Sarah better when she got off the leash and verbally sucker-slapped him a few times.
All that being said, I don’t think it was the bloodbath I had anticipated it being.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:33 pmIt’s easier to pay your mortgage when you don’t take out one that’s bigger than you can pay for…
Selfish to ask God to protect our troops? Huh?
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:33 pmOops - appoint people regardless of party affiliation. Yeah, that really worked for W.
For the record, no problem with Ifill, god job as moderator. Not trying to scratch her turned out to be a good decision.
Palin invoked Reagan appropriately and well. Biden is selling drowsy.
Obama Delenda Est
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:33 pmKeep the Faith.
Katie Couric: She didn’t embarass herself for the Republican Party as expected.
Are you fucking kidding? Embarrass US?
All the post-discussion — “it’s almost as if Governor Palin wasn’t there — she passed the Tina Fey test.”
“She spent a lot of time attacking Barack Obama …” what did I miss?
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:35 pmI was thinking the same thing… weird.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:35 pmShe paraphrased REAGAN…
YES YES YES…
“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States where men were free. “
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:37 pmAmelia, I hear ya! My husband and I don’t live in a McMansion, don’t have too many toys, but according to our banker who we met with last week, we’ve made some good choices. A 15 year mortgage locked in at 4.35% 5 years ago, paid for vehicles (not new ones either, and keeping the credit monster away has helped us personally to deal with a $20K cut in salary. My husband’s work left and went to Mexico and China. He works for a local company now, but God provides as long as we keep working and providing good stewardship.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:39 pmPalin did okay towards the end, although the random phrase strings were driving me to distraction.
Oh, well. I’m still voting for Mickey Mouse…or maybe the Constitution Party candidate.
Sorry for the block quote goof earlier. I had fun commenting with you guys tonight! It’s always a laugh.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:40 pmUgh. Now the talking heads are gonna prattle on ’til midnight. I’m sooo not watching anymore of this.
D.W., I was wondering about Biden’s eyes too. He had that slant-eyed, Kenny Rogers bad facelift look about him. Kenny’s really scary looking these days. Sorry to get off-topic.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:42 pmOkay, NarNar,
That comment is so bizarre because I couldn’t focus on what he was saying very well. I asked my husband if he knew about any of Biden’s heritage because his eyes looked weird. Then I asked him if he thought he had a lift.
I thought it was just me, I always end up paying attention to stupid things like that instead of what is important.
I thought Palin did a great job at getting some of the important things out. And her final words, paraphrased “skroo yoo MSM mutha fukkahs!”
Woot!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:47 pmI, too, thought he looked like one too many face lift, especially around the eyes - they looked really weird.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:52 pmI have that problem too. I learned in high school that if I actually looked at my teacher while she spoke I’d get distracted by her earrings, her hairstyle, her makeup, etc. I took to drawing little doodles in the margins to keep my mind from wandering.
My husband loves to listen to the talking heads. Sometimes I ask him to mute the tv and read the closed captioning so I don’t have to listen.
Huh. Brit Hume asked if Sarah Palin’s accent and talking style, being different from the way we’re used to politicians speaking, would be off-putting to the public. I suppose it could be, to some, but it struck me as a goober-headed question.
Maybe I’m just not sufficiently sophisticated.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:53 pmRachel, Sunny and Maggie, thank you! I love this site and I love the dogblogging. It is so much more exciting than the debate.
Rupert - I hope you brought a big bottle home! What a good man!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:54 pmOh, and I got to say that I was impressed with Gwen Ifill. I think she did a good job.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:55 pmIf you’re watching in HD, you’ll notice he has very little movement from the brows up, and almost none in the “elevens” between his brows. As an ardent supporter of “having a little work done,” I can recognize others who’ve had Botox.
Botox would also explain why he’s sweating on top of his head, but not on his forehead proper.
I’m officially coining the term “Joetox.”
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:02 pmI was on Twitter spouting off to myself the last few minutes of the debate. Yes I was talking to myself, but that’s nitpicking, isn’t it? Here are my “tweets” (as they’re called on Twitter) about the debate:
– Joe, you ARE a very deep hole.
– We’ll all find out what the media wants us to think in a few minutes and for the rest of the week. I can’t wait. Tabula rasa, man.
– I hate the “kitchen table” cliche. No matter who uses it.
– That smarmy Polident grin. So condescending.
– I keep seeing opinionated idiots who “follow” politics but still can’t spell PALIN.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:02 pmI’m probably biased, but majority of what Bidin said was so rambling and incoherent.
Palin is such an awesome speaker.
But, someone HAS to coach her on saying nuke-clear rather than nuke-u-lar. I know, I know, it’s is probably a regional thing like like when my ex-husband who was born in Michigan used to refer to “loaning” money as “borrowing” money as in, “I borrowed her some money.” Or my sister saying “flustrated” instead of flustered or frustrated, but she is just plain stupid.
Governer Palin is such a wonderful orator, I hate that anyone can get the best of her (i.e. Tina Fey) over something that should be so trivial.
My girl crush continues on Sarah Palin.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:02 pmO_O
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:05 pmHow do they spell Palin, then?
Excellent. The Texas GOP is ecstatic. There is a huge celebration going on here. We are all impressed.
I love this gal, “doggone it”.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:06 pmAmeilia in Tx said:
Different? She sounds like every person I have ever met from Minnesota, Wisconsin, geez, even people from Illinois speak with that accent. I think it makes her sound like middle America…exactly the people I am hoping will pull it out on election day for the Republicans.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:08 pmIt was NOT close, Sarah used his nuts for a speed bag.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:13 pmTurns out that she likes her gig on PBS after all.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:15 pmJen,
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:16 pmI kept thinking Biden had an eye lift. Seriously. It was very distracting.
Please someone post before and after pictures of him. That would be hilarious to expose him getting work done to look younger against Palin.
I dozed off in about the 7th or 8th inning while watching the Phillies
gameKICK ASS! (I didn’t get enough sleep last night.)I woke up about 1/2 hour into the debate and watched it until the end. From what I saw, Sarah did great. Biden seemed to be on the defensive most of the time.
Near the end she gave a rousing defense of American exceptionalism which practically had me standing and cheering. We don’t hear nearly enough of that from our political leaders. And we sure would never hear such a thing from Obama.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:19 pmI’ve only caught part of the debate on Sky News, but I’m impressed by what I’ve seen so far.
I would have been even more impressed if she’d been wearing camo, sporting hand-grenade earrings, and carrying an assault rifle, but still…
Right, I’m off to bed as soon as I’ve had a cold shower.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:21 pmI think it’s kind of funny that this is pretty much the only political blog I comment on….
My impressions of the debate that I’m currently re-watching, as I didn’t see the end.
I thought Sarah Palin was better than I thought she would be, though I too found her hair distracting.
Also, PLEASE, someone, anyone - please teach her how to say nuclear. PLEASE. Sorry people, it’s a major pet peeve of mine.
Also, she needs to stop saying “Maverick,” “Joe Six Pack,” and “Hockey Mom”. Or not say them so often. It’s turning into the “Hope and Change” of the Democratic campaign. After a while I started to wish that I was playing a drinking game. I’d be too drunk to post.
As to Joe Biden, I’ve seen him debate before, so I wasn’t paying as much attention to him. Rather than saying “Past is Prologue” - I wish he’d have said, “The past directly informs the present and the future.”
I think if you’re on the left, you’ll say Biden did great - if you’re on the right, you’ll say that Palin was awesome. I keep a quote from Anais Nin up at my desk that I think about a lot, that I think directly impacts how we view politics: “We don’t see things as they are, we see them as we are.”
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:22 pmOh hell YES!
That was pretty.
Palin looked sincere, Biden looked all squinty and pissy and you could hear him doing his smug creeptard heavy breathing thing in his mike whenever Palin zinged him.
Watching it on the splitscreen was the best. Biden’s got the shittiest poker face EVAR. He was SEETHING and you could see it on his face.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:22 pmC-SPAN will replay the debate at 11:30 pm EST, about four minutes from now.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:26 pmfrakkin shiny!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:31 pmGreat name, first of all. I’ll have to see a replay and watch the seething again. I like watching Biden seethe. He’s such a gasbag.
Get over it.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:34 pmI remember all the jokes about Kennedy and his use of the none existent final ‘r’ as in Cuba’r’. It is regional, dialectical and perfectly acceptable as such. (It also p*sses me off when Rush makes fun of the black/hispanic use of ‘aks’ for ask; any language historian will tell you that is the original pronunciation.)
I’ll get over it when someone points out the extra “u” to me.
It just grates me.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:38 pmWell, Brooke, I got over it about 25 years ago, since most of the people I grew up with pronounced it that way. Since I was heavily into Physics, even in middle school, it drove me nuts, too, but finally I realized there was nothing to be done, when I couldn’t even get my own father (generally a very bright man, and one whom everyone in town looked up to) to change the way he said it. As Haverwilde said, it’s regional. Probably most of the people in the town she grew up in said it the same way.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:50 pm“Huh. Brit Hume asked if Sarah Palin’s accent and talking style, being different from the way we’re used to politicians speaking, would be off-putting to the public. I suppose it could be, to some, but it struck me as a goober-headed question.”
OMG he did? What a doofus.
On my way home from agility I caught a few comments from Hugh Hewitt. He was reading commentary posted from MSM talking heads and they were ALL positive about Palin. I think is cared Trooper whooping.
I was so wishing to stay in the car and listen to the closing but that darn dog would not have it… “time to work mom!” =)
Color me sufficiently relieved that it is over and that she did good…which considering the expectations of most folks is a huge win.
Now…if the McCain team would just LET HER OFF THE F’ING LEASH!!! =D
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:56 pmHaverwilde -
Seriously?
Aks? I should defend “aks”????!!!!
I won’t defend “nucular” on equal grounds.
I suppose we could all go back to Beowulf - when the English language was more Germanic - to support any and all excuses for the laziness of our modern culture to learn the proper use of language IN THIS PRESENT DAY.
This is not a minor nor insignificant point. People live in the now. Employers live in the now. If you want a job - then don’t use the non-word “aks!” You will sound stupid. But only due to genuine stupidity, ignorance, stubbornness, or immersion and belief in extreme radical philosophies - any of the prior scenarios make you ill-fitted for life in a modern economy, especially one that is service oriented.
Truly I never expected to see a defense of ebonics here… Surpise!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:58 pmYou know what grates me … when people say “irregardless” … but who cares? Smart people pronounce things wrong and say the wrong words all the time. Doesn’t make them less smart.
Okay…hubby yelling at me now to go to bed. =)
Night All!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:59 pmHaverwilde,
I cannot find any verification for this statement. Everything that I can find points to “ask” being from the middle English root word “asken.”
Without verification, it’s simply a polically correct ridiculous ebonics-slang term, which, when spoken in the presence of my everyday academic environment I will not tolerate.
Care to elucidate? … ‘cuz I’m callin’ bullshit.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:05 pmNight, castocreations …
Thank you so much for your commentary; since I was driving home and missing the debate it was so great to be able to follow your trail back to the cottage … : )
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:06 pmOn language, it’s important to be able to code-switch. I speak one way in more formal settings and professional type settings, and another way at home and when I’m among family and friends.
At work I’d moderate my accent, use proper grammar and standard English. That’s what’s appropriate for school, work, when writing and such.
At home, Ah relax muh language stan’rds quate a bit, cuz it don’t make no nevermind here.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:22 pmFor my part, I am just relying on my favorite professor of history of the English language. Professor Seth Lerer, Stanford University. I wish I could cite the specific source, but alas, it is one of those items that my memory does not retain. It was one of many miscellaneous item such as the word ‘butterfly’ which was originally ‘flutterby,’ that one I really liked and use it regularly.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:43 pmGreat Thread y’all.
A tip for the next debate; get your socks and roll each into ball and pile them into a basket or a box next to your chair. They’re great ammo to throw at the TV without breaking anything…the dog loves the screaming-at-the-TV-fetch-game too.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:49 pmMy verdict: a tie. Biden was much less likable than usual; Palin was much stronger than in Gibson/Couric, but still only passable in an absolute sense. It’s hard to imagine any partisans being flipped, or any independents finding this the least bit illuminating.
Biggest Biden failing: not realizing that the camera was on him while Palin was speaking. Looked like such a smug jerk far too often.
Biggest Palin failing: missed opportunities. When Biden said for the 17th time what a disaster Bush’s economic policy had been, she should have launched into CRA, Fannie, Freddie, Rezko, Dodd, Frank, all of it. And when Biden said for the 343rd time what a disaster Bush’s foreign policy had been, Palin should have said: “Time out. John McCain and I disagree with the president on many things, but the fact is that he has kept this nation safe for seven years. There has not been a single successful attack on America since George Bush’s policies went into effect after 9/11. By what logic is batting 1,000 considered failure? Joe Biden, Barack Obama, your wives, your children, the New York Times editorial board — all of you will sleep safely tonight because of George W. Bush.”
Also, Sarah needs an also-ectomy also.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:51 pmI am The Rude Dog and I likes me some doggy-style.
Biden was the bitch who got humped by a lipstick pitbull.
Word to “foreign policy” Joe and you Democrats out there, he confused Gaza and the West bank.
Hillary would have known.
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:21 amLOL.
I don’t have dogs, but my cats would probably enjoy the pouncing opportunities.
As far as screaming at the TV, my cats ran the hell away when I started jumping up and down, clapping and whooping for Victorino’s grand slam tonight.
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:29 amMichelle Malkin’s got the botox angle covered… complete with before and after pictures!
Snort.
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:59 amAce has a theory about that — let’s hope he’s right!
My favorite postmortem comment of the evening was from Jonah Goldberg:
Heeheehee!
October 3rd, 2008 at 1:25 amThat was driving me crazy, along with the winking. Very distracting, but I think she hung in there pretty well overall.
October 3rd, 2008 at 1:31 amThe following is a quote from a footnote on p 59 of David Hackett Fischer’s “Albion’s Seed: Four British Folkways in America”. The first section of the book talks about those who migrated mostly from East Anglia to Massachusetts between 1629-41. I’m sure you have read of them. Puritans, a highly educated folk.
Quote:
A New England word list compiled in the 19th century by J.B. Moore may be taken as representative of many such lists. He compared the speech of the “typical Yankee” with standard English, as follows:
airnest for earnest; actilly, actually; Ax, ask;… ain’t, is not; beller, bellow;… desput, desperate; …riz, rose or risen;… taters, potatos;… . Words ending with the syllable ing were pronounced as though the final consonant, g, was silent.
End of Quote
I also remember reading in Sowell’s “Black Rednecks and White Liberals” that most of the schools set up in the reconstruction era South were funded, run by, and staffed by descendants of Puritans. In my opinion this is where ebonics was taught to them.
Even that far back, do-gooders were undermining the future prospects of the poor and down-trodden.
(btw, I disagree with Sowell on his theory that blacks developed the gangsta/ghetto culture from associating with the Scots-Irish stereotypical redneck. IMHO they got it from their former masters who were mostly descended from aristocratic southern England families.)
Ok… I should seriously consider not posting this after having satisfied myself that my memory of where “ax” or “aks” was introduced in this country wasn’t false.
But what the heck - if anything goes, well then so intellectual posturing and lecturing, right? Just to get the taste outta my mouth, I’m gonna have to pick my nose and eat a bugger.
October 3rd, 2008 at 1:49 amMark Levin on Sarah Palin, from NRO:
Mark Levin says she’s smart as hell. Case.Fucking.Closed.
October 3rd, 2008 at 1:59 amSarah (”Hi. Can I call you Sarah?”) has amongst her other attributes…
– Smart
– Sensibly Conservative, but I repeat myself
– Demonstrated executive ability
– Hunter and sportswoman
– Capable of taking control of a debate
– Easy on eyes
– etc. etc.
She’s an Alaskan. Not listed whether or not she’s comfy with a chainsaw. In case there’s those with an inner need to have a female to submit to.
Well, come up with a more agressive phallic symbol than a chainsaw.
Disclosure: My daughter’s boyfriend gave her a chainsaw. It was a token of affection. She saw nothing odd about it. Nor did I. We may or may not be normal.
October 3rd, 2008 at 2:17 amI think she mentioned McCain ‘tapping’ her a couple times for a reason. My sister, not hip on slang, didn’t pick up on it. I did.
There are many men in this country that would tap her big time. Biden offered many opportunities for Sarah to just put him down like the cheap hairpieced suit that he is, but she didn’t go for the kill shot.
Rather, she batted him around like the almost dead mouse that he is.
I’m hoping that McCain, like Sarah, have been sandbagging, setting up part of the October surprise. A little political rope-a-dope.
Just like Sarah said … (paraphrasing) … I welcome these opportunities to speak directly to the American People without the edit key of the MSM.
Ohyeh, you betcha, we got it.
Now, in the peoples republic of Carrboro, backyard of Johnny Hairdo with the illegitimate daughter Edwards, with a bunch of hairy legged, hemp panted, pseudo-intellectual enviro hipsters, there were times when you couldn’t hear the TV she was being heckled so loudly. But … I think they realize she kicked his butt. Ohyeh, you betcha.
She could’ve mentioned Biden’s and Obama’s votes for change on energy, taxation, donations from FNM or FRE, votes that enabled this credit meltdown, but I think that’s for John S. McCain Jr. to drive into Obama’s vampire heart.
And the mention of Change … they’re taunting bambi with his own rhetoric, showing that the changemaster is McCain. Ending mentioning she’s ALWAYS BEEN PROUD of America, but what are leaving for our children and children’s children dig on that angry Obama woman …. bwahhahahahaha and may I add, HA.
October 3rd, 2008 at 3:25 amI see Governor Palin as a principled conservative who understands the need for, but does not like compromise. This was shown in the closing statements. Given a chance to set up for unkept promises, she said there would be none. She has a value system that is absolute in its nature - definition of marriage will not be changed in her mind ever. The nature of law regarding freedom and contracts can be adjusted towards greater equality, but it’s never going to change the definition of marriage. It is a very unusual trait for a successful politician. The positive attitude, the certainty of right and wrong without fascism (and it’s not there at all - libertarian leanings are evident to me)and the apparent sincere seriousness of keeping one’s word are what I want in my leader. I also sensed the spoken support of the socialist agenda inherent in American populism with bashing Wall Street and Washington was hollow platitudes in support of McCain’s position. However, it could be my hope overcoming reason. For now - there is no doubt in my mind that she represents the future I want for my country. Give her power and we’ll see things we like.
October 3rd, 2008 at 5:36 amDonna:
Thanks for the history lesson. I appreciate it.
However, that wouldn’t make me any less inclined to reach for my Taser if an employee of any race came into my office to “ax me for a raise …”
October 3rd, 2008 at 7:01 amI thought Sara did a great job. You could tell she was nervous in the beginning, but as time passed, she became more confident. I definitely agree that they should let her off the leash more…she seemed to kick some ass when she didn’t have to be so scripted.
Joe Biden has TOTALLY had some botox treatments. Mr. Smoothbrow. LOL. Enjoyed EVERYONE’s comments here.
October 3rd, 2008 at 7:19 amSQUEEEEE! You guys were spot-on about Biden’s pants being on fire!
Ace has a rundown of 14 lies Biden told.
October 3rd, 2008 at 7:24 amI’ve got a good way for them to remember how. It’s PAIN with a hockey stick in the middle (hey, that would make a good graphic). As in, “socialist libs are a pain in the ass, and we need to get them the L out of Washington”.
October 3rd, 2008 at 8:01 amI watched the whole thing. Lest you think I enjoy that sort of thing, it is the first debate on either side that I have watched in this campaign.
She smoked him.
She got under his skin early and often, forcing him to act like he was amused at times but often having him frowning and changing the subject.
The only thing I wonder about is how long her sort of “gosh darnit Joe, bless your heart” schtick is going to play before people get tired of it.
October 3rd, 2008 at 8:02 amYay! Palin did great! Office (left and right) think so.
Huge win. Let’s see what Team McCain does with it.
October 3rd, 2008 at 8:33 amFargus, that’s a great one about how to spell PALIN: pain with a hockey stick in the middle. LOVE IT!
October 3rd, 2008 at 8:36 amI thought Palin was awesome. I was a bit concerned, given the interviews and such, and I was excited again watching Palin speak. Its pretty cool to see someone speaking directly to the people again, something that I think Bush should do more often. Something I think Obama just can’t do.
October 3rd, 2008 at 8:41 amHere’s my erudite morning-after debate analysis:
Sarah Palin is Sunny in that last pic, and Joe Biden is the old man with a humping hat on his head.
There is no doubt about who was the victorious humper and who was the humiliated humpee.
October 3rd, 2008 at 8:42 amDaveW … she did her job. From here McCain takes it over the finish line or not. I’m looking for him to take the gloves off and slap Bambi around once this stupid bill passes, which he has to keep quiet about for the good of the country. Sarah’s debate was n=1. Unless Biden wants to take his chances, there’s no townhall or other format for them to meet again.
The great 35-year veteran of the Senate failed, and I am not surprised. That loser could only get 25 votes in Iowa before he dropped out of the Presidential race. He’s pathetic.
October 3rd, 2008 at 8:47 amFargus, I’m stealing that. But I’ll give you a link, too.
October 3rd, 2008 at 8:53 amHow come nobody but me picked up on the “Bosniac” thing?
October 3rd, 2008 at 10:08 amNo humping pictures for pete’s sake. The others are charming. BTW, the yard could stand some grass or mulch. Your hounds will thank you. Your Hoover will thank you.
October 3rd, 2008 at 2:03 pmDonna, I have “Albion’s Seed” open on my lap before me right now, to that very page! It’s one of my favorite books in the whole world.
I write as a dolichocephalic blue-eyed Scots-Irish ectomorph, with the long narrow head of the priest-ridden race and yet also the bad teeth of those from the Big Island.
Y’know, if somebody had thought to run Jim Webb for Prez and Sarah for Veep, it would be all over.
October 4th, 2008 at 3:09 pmand done. And finished. In a good way.
October 4th, 2008 at 3:13 pm